Multiple Parties to Blame for Brawl and Injury Sustained by Zack Greinke

Last night we saw a 6th inning brawl between the Dodgers and the Padres that was sandwiched by something called a ”baseball game” on both sides of it.

The altercation, set off when Zack Greinke hit Carlos Quentin on a 3-2 pitch, resulted in the ejections of Jerry Hairston Jr., Matt Kemp, Greinke, and Quentin.  Unfortunately for the Los Angeles, Quentin broke the starter’s collarbone after he barreled into him and both players fell to the ground.

Many are determining who is to blame for last night’s altercation and Greinke’s injury, and I for one believe that blame cannot simply be placed on one party alone.  In fact, multiple players should evaluate their actions/inactivity from last night, because those events from the 6th inning are likely going to stick in the minds of many for a while.

 

Multiple parties should be at fault for last night’s melee. Mandatory Credit: Jake Roth-USA TODAY Sports

Carlos Quentin

At least to me, the biggest person at fault from last night’s brawl is, and should be Carlos Quentin.  Even as a Padre fan, Quentin’s actions last night disgusted me. 

I for one would like to call the left fielder’s “baseball I.Q.” into question for his dense and childish behavior from last night, because the odds of him ”being intentionally plunked” in last night’s situation were non-existent. 

I mean, any pitcher, no matter what kind of bad blood they have with the opposing hitter, would be a downright moron to put the leadoff hitter on base in a 1-run game in the bottom of the 6th inning.  I questioned why Quentin was so upset when it happened, and I simply figured “hey, the Padres have the leadoff guy on base” before the situation escalated into what it did. 

Furthermore, it’s not like Greinke’s pitch was in the neighborhood of where Jason Marquis’ was to Matt Kemp earlier in the ballgame.  Marquis’ pitch was far more “high and tight,” and Kemp simply controlled his emotions and continued the at-bat.  Had Quentin controlled his emotions better, or been the only one to overreact after the pitch, he would have been the only person at fault in last night’s game, and deserved every sort of negative criticism imaginable for his actions.

 

Zack Greinke

Unfortunately, it definitely “takes two to tango,” and the right-handed starter is nowhere near the “victim” that many Dodger fans are claiming him to be from last night’s scuffle.  In fact, go back to the tape and watch what happens after Quentin is hit.  If one looks closely, one can see that Greinke obviously said something to the Padres’ left fielder that sent him into a rage.  Had Greinke simply shut his mouth and walked back to the mound, there likely would not have been a confrontation at all.  I mean, continuing to escalate a hostile situation with snide comments is no way to diffuse an already enraged opponent, and Greinke should have been mature enough to realize that simple fact.

Plus, how stupid can a player be to mouth off to a guy who is not only acting irrationally, but also outweighs him by close to 50 lbs.?  Grienke and the Dodgers would have been best served if the $147 million dollar investment had understood who he hit and kept a cooler head than Quentin did.  Had that happened, San Diego’s left fielder would have been the raving lunatic had he approached Greinke in any way shape and form.

Unfortunately, Zack did not want to be the bigger and more mature person during last night’s events.  His mouth simply wrote a check at the wrong time, and his frail and skinny frame could not cash it.  Then again, Greinke really didn’t receive any sort of help from his teammates to diffuse “Hurricane Carlos” last night either.

 

A.J. Ellis & the rest of Los Angeles’ Infield

With the escalation of the situation in mind though, Dodger catcher A.J. Ellis should not be absolved of any blame for what took place.  I know that it is not his job to be Greinke’s body-guard, but why he didn’t get in front of or at least try to tackle Quentin the second he started towards the mound made zero sense whatsoever. 

It took a while before Carlos eventually charged the mound last night, and he should have been in front of him or at least restraining him the second he took a step towards the pitching mound.  And where were the rest of the Dodger infielders who should have been ready to step in and diffuse that situation to help their pitcher who was at a tremendous size disadvantage?  When a $147 million dollar investment and the second best pitcher on a team is being threatened, I know that if I’m Greinke’s teammate, I’m taking care of Quentin before he takes two steps towards my expensive and important teammate.  

 

Final Thoughts

What will transpire in terms of suspensions and games missed now?

Well, Greinke will likely be shelved for six to eight weeks due to his injuy, and it definitely hurts the Dodgers to lose their #2 starter.

As far as Quentin in concerned, Los Angeles’ manager Don Mattingly believes that Quentin should not be able to play until Greinke can.  I know that Mattingly is only trying to stick up for his pitcher, but maybe he should tell him not to chirp with a guy who is far bigger than he is.  Greinke’s behavior simply welcomed the negative consequences and repercussions brought on by the immature Quentin.  Greinke in no way deserved to be injured, but it’s asinine to believe that picking fights and talking smack to people bigger than you is a recipe for anything but disaster.

Had Quentin taken a charge at Greinke unprovoked, then yes, I could definitely understand a long-term suspension like the one Mattingly referred to before.  But “Donny Baseball” is unlikely to get his wish because Greinke attempted to sink to Quentin’s thug-like level last night, and San Diego’s left fielder will likely ride the pine for a short-stretch.  I am sure that Carlos will receive a suspension for his actions, but it unlikely to be for as long as most Dodger fans, coaches, and players want.

Regardless of where blame is ultimately placed though, next week’s series in Los Angeles should be quite interesting.  I’m sure that Quentin will receive a few pitches in between his numbers though.

Topics: Carlos Quentin, Los Angeles Dodgers, San Diego Padres, Zack Greinke

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  • LasordasLair

    Are you serious here?
    Greinke wasn’t cursing at Quentin, he was cursing at himself for allowing the tying run to reach base in a one-run game. That would be the only reason. Why would Grienke randomly hit Quentin with a pitch in a one-run ball game in the sixth inning of a full count? Greinke had many other chances to hit Quentin earlier in the game.
    The only person to blame for this incident is senior thug Carlos Quentin. It was his vicious and brutal attack that led to Greinke’s injury and the benches clearing brawl.
    I respect you guys over here at CF, but come on, this is ridiculous. The attack was utterly uncalled for.

    • Dom DiTolla

      Go back and watch what happened, because Greinke clearly said something that sent Quentin over the edge before he sprinted towards him and the melee ensued. Think about it, if Greinke was truly mad at himself over the situation, why did he have to stare at Quentin and nod at him post-pitch?

      As I stated before, it was moronic of Quentin to believe he was being targeted in that situation. Yet why did Greinke need to give an irrational and angered opponent any hint of a reason to come after him?

      Nowhere in my post did I excuse Quentin for what he did, and I believe I even referred to his behavior as “childish” and “dense.” In fact, I hope that Selig & Co. “throw the book at him suspension-wise” because there’s no place in baseball for that type of behavior.

      But to absolve Greinke of any blame whatsoever is ridiculous on your part, and he certainly didn’t help himself by running his mouth when he could have been the bigger person and let Quentin, and Quentin alone, act like the fool.

      • LasordasLair

        There was no indication that Greinke said anything to Quentin,and why would he want to? It makes no sense whatsoever for Greinke to hit Quentin with a 3-2 pitch in a one-run game in the bottom of the sixth inning. This is Baseball, and guys are hit with pitches every game. It happens. It doesn’t give him the right to brutally attack another player. Heck, Matt Cain hit not one but two Dodgers with pitches on opening day, So does that mean that Matt Kemp should have charged the mound and tackled him and thrown him in a headlock? Of course not.
        I saw the replay and I couldn’t see any indication that Greinke even said anything to Quentin. Maybe there was a curse word thrown out like “Oh Bleep, I just allowed the tying run on base to lead off the bottom of the sixth in a game we lead by only a run!”. Can Quentin even make out what was said all the way at the plate? Yes there was maybe a stare, I’ll give you that, but does that give Quentin right to do what he did?
        Again, I respect you guys over here and no offense, but you’re way off-base here. Quentin should get a suspension in weeks for what he did, Greinke is truly innocent in this. I;m not saying that because I’m a Dodger fan, or because I’m mad, I;m saying it because it’s really true. Quentin got grazed on the arm by a fastball like he has 97 other times in his career. He has a history of crowding the plate, so you would think a player who has been around as long as Quentin has would know, that that’s Baseball. Guys get hit with pitches. Normally they just take their bases, like Quentin should have. If he had we wouldn’t have lost our number 2 starter for weeks.

        • Dom DiTolla

          Of those other 97 times Quentin got “grazed” by pitches over his career, I’m sure that after most, if not after all of them, that the opposing pitcher didn’t say something, nod directly at him, and all but “lay down the gauntlet” for a potential conflict.

          Carlos obviously made out whatever Greinke said to him, because he broke into a dead sprint immediately after the pitcher looked in his direction and said whatever it was he said to him.

          At least to me, Greinke could have easily turned the other cheek last night. Unfortunately, he did nothing to diffuse the situation the minute he engaged Quentin and directly acknowledged the irrational left fielder in a verbal manner after the pitch. As I have stated before, what happened was truly disgusting and Quentin should have known better. But I certainly didn’t see Greinke trying to play “peace-maker” with his post-pitch actions either.

          Greinke simply added more fuel to the already “moronic burning fire” against a guy he had a history of hitting over his career. Like a fool, it was Greinke himself who stooped to Quentin’s immature level when a conflict could have been otherwise avoided. It’s a shame, but the starter’s actions gave Quentin, in his mind (not in society’s and not in mine), a reason to settle an old score (no matter how petty) that had been four years in the making.

          I was downright saddened to see Greinke go down with an injury, and it sickened me to see an otherwise solid game ruined by infantile behavior. But “shit happens,” and we can’t take the DeLorean up to 88 mph. to erase the ugly events that transpired last night. They happened, they’re done and over-with, and no amount of complaining and venting can change what occurred.

          I, probably as much as anybody else, hope that Quentin will be suspended long-term (20+ games), and then get his deserved “just desserts” next week between the shoulder-blades (or higher if the Dodgers pitchers deem it to be necessary), so both teams can play baseball and put this situation far behind them.

          I wish your fan-base the best, and I hope that Greinke can make a speedy return to the starting rotation.

          • Padres4life

            what? you’re a Padres fan and you want him suspended for 20 games and thrown at? stop calling yourself a Padres fan! its part of the game..People charge all the time….give me a break! the punk deserved it.

          • LasordasLair

            I’ve looked at the replay like ten times, and I can’t see where Greinke said anything to him. Maybe under his breath? What words do you think Greinke said to him?
            Watch the replay, I didn’t even see him open his mouth. It is possibility that Quentin misunderstood Greinke Cursing at himself for making a bad pitch for an insult towards him? Maybe that’s possible, but why would Greinke have any kind of beef with Quentin? Greinke has hit him what three times over the course of ten years?
            So that puts blame on Greinke? because Quentin was bottling up past resentment over being hit by a pitch three or four years ago? Completly absurd. Obviously Greinke was NOT trying to hit Quentin, or start any beef, Honestly why would he?
            I can bet you money that everyone of the 97 other times Quentin was hit by a pitch, were alot more confrontational than last night.
            Even Quentin’s own teammates were apologizing for what was a brutal vicious attack without reason.
            This isn’t the old west, where dipsutes are settled with fists. What a shame, because Dodger fans really have had nothing against the Padres at all. Trust me we obviously hate the Giants, Colorado and Arizona much more. Now that may change after this disgrace.

          • Dom DiTolla

            You can clearly see Greinke’s head move and him say something towards Quentin in the clip on MLB.com, and the Washington Post reported that the pitcher said something to San Diego’s left fielder.

            If Greinke really wanted to say something “to himself,” why would he nod towards Quentin and step off the mound towards him then? He could have just as easily turned his back and walked towards the rubber and been the more mature adult.

            And why did Quentin not bolt immediately towards Greinke the second he was hit? You would think that if he was so aggressive that he would have just sped towards the mound right? Quentin only ran towards Greinke after the pitcher’s head moved and he obviously said something to him.

            As I have said all along, “some” (not all because Quentin is also at fault) blame should be placed on Greinke because he stooped to Quentin’s level when he could have acted like a professional and not escalated the situation to an even more childish level. And if I were Quentin’s teammates I’d apologize too, but one can make a strong argument that Greinke was no “saint” in this matter either. Plus, if I’m A.J. Ellis, I’m kicking myself for not getting in front of Quentin the moment he stepped out of the batters box.

            Furthermore, can you prove that every single one of the 97 other HBP’s were more “confrontational?” If you could I’d be interested in seeing that, but I’m sure that a number of those hurlers didn’t step off the mound and take the situation to a new level like Greinke did last night.

            And if it isn’t the “Old West,” why was Matt Kemp so eager to meet Quentin in the parking lot?

            As I stated before, what’s in the past is in the past, and pissing and moaning about Greinke’s broken collarbone and why it broke isn’t going to make it heal any faster. At least to me, it’s a joke to waste one’s emotions on a silly sporting event that could be wisely spent in other areas.

            Quentin will ultimately serve his suspension, eventually get his retaliatory “drill-job” by whomever is on the mound for L.A. at some point this season, and the teams will go from there.

          • LasordasLair

            He did nod, but I still couldn’t see where he said anything to Quentin at all. I did see a nod though, but no offense, I;m just pointing out. Is a nod really worth breaking someone’s collar bone over? The truth is, this entire incident is the fault of just one childish petty thuggish man. His name is C. Q. Not angry at the Padres, not angry at Black, or any of the other 24 players. Just one pathetic, goon-like man. I hope MLB throws the book at him.

          • Dom DiTolla

            Again, had you read my post, I never said that Quentin was not at fault. I just believe that Greinke’s actions in the aftermath of the pitch should be taken into account as he stooped to the left fielder’s level. It’s not like Quentin intended to break his collarbone either, it was just a long-time feud which finally boiled over into a negative event.

            Enjoy your “Pity Party.” :)

          • LasordasLair

            “long time feud”? really? can you enlighten me please on what this long standing feud is that nobody in the world knew about except for you and Carlos Quentin? I’ve never heard of Greinke having a feud with anyone, you talk about him like he’s Kevin Brown or something. As Greinke said after the attack, He’s never thrown at Quentin before inentionally, and the pitch wasn’t intentional. As obviously it woulnd’t be in the sixth inning of a one-run game. All he did was nod his head, and maybe he said somethig like “what’s up” to Quentin. So, the thug broke someone’s collar bone over a nod. Sounds pretty childish and petty to me. Not having a pity party, just don’t think it’s fair for someone to have his collar bone broken over a misunderstood nod, and a thug with a chip on his shoulders.
            Face it Quentin is a thug, and will be branded as such for the rest of his days.

          • Dom DiTolla

            Awww, that’s so sweet. Maybe Zack will make an appearance at your pity party and let you sign his sling at some point over the next six to eight weeks while he’s sidelined. Lol

            I never heard of Quentin storming the mound before last night either, Greinke must have said something to push him over the edge, and both Paul Konerko and Mark Kotsay say there is “more” to the “Greinke vs. Quentin” feud than people know. Maybe if Greinke didn’t continue to instigate a conflict with someone bigger than him, he wouldn’t have had brittle collarbone worth $175 million shatter.

            All Greinke had to do was be the bigger person and walk back towards the rubber. Sadly for him, he just wouldn’t leave “well enough” alone and what happened, happened. Thus, no amount of your constant pissing, moaning, and name-calling will set his collarbone at this point.

            But hey, thanks for stopping by, you’re commentary and traffic are much appreciated :)

          • LasordasLair

            You have to be seriously delusional to blame this on Greinke. Whether there is past blood between them or not, and I haven’t heard of any, and neither had Greinke. It doesn’t give Quentin the right to do what he did. He pulled a bitch move. The guy is a thug, and a petty child to break someone’s collar bone over a head nod. The ball just got away from Greinke, the pitch wasn’t intentional. If you believe anything else, then you’re wrong, and or paranoid. Honestly your the one who sounds bitter about the whole thing, because you know that it’s the truth.
            How about this…How about all that manchild had to do was not be an egomaniac and storm the mound for something so petty? Doesn’t that make more sense then your crazy Greinke conspiracy theory? Yes, a grown man, not acting like a child. How about he acts like a man, and take out his aggressions on the Baseball field.

          • Dom DiTolla

            You have to be seriously delusional to absolve Greinke of any blame in Thursday night’s events. Both players are at fault for their actions, and Greinke paid the price, too bad, so sad, and A.J. Ellis crapped the bed by not helping his pitcher.

            Also, it’s technically not a “conspiracy theory” if other players (i.e. Kotsay and Konerko) said that there was “bad blood” between Greinke and Quentin, and more of a backstory. If you’d like the link, I’d be glad to provide it.

            How about this…Greinke could have simply toed the rubber and let Quentin stand out there by himself and look like an idiot, and nothing would have transpired. You know, taking the high road and playing ball. Unfortunately, Greinke ran his mouth, and paid the unfortunate price of being bowled over.

            What’s done is done, Quentin has an 8 game suspension, and Greinke is on the DL. You can continue to whine and name-call like a petulant child all that you want, but your pathetic complaints will not change the fact that the Dodgers’ $175 million investment will be riding the pine for an extended period partly because of his own stupidity.

            Cheers! :)

          • YODA777

            Did you look at the replay and see where the catcher was setting up for Greinkie on that pitch? Low and outside, the pitch was high and inside, yep absolutely no intention there huh? A former Cy Young award winner, he of the $147 million dollar contract being that off the mark and it just happened to be against the best Padre hitter? Dont think so big guy. No one will ever know if it was intentional or it was not, to say that no way was it intentional is not right. You could tell there was history there the way that Grienkie responded to Quentin, he did say something, and he threw his glove, and Quentin finished it. Dont be so closed minded on this, you should at least see the logic that it could have been intentional, regardless of the game situation. Look, the Padre lineup is very weak, other then Quentin, not too many hitters could hurt Grienkie; therefore, why take a chance on making a mistake and allowing Quentin to hit a home run, why not just hit the guy rather then walk him? It is not out of the question that it was intentional.

    • AaronKnuckleCurve

      Lair, I love you guys, however, you’re wrong on this one. I can read lips and read them unfortunately when he turned to Cochito and said “It’s broken.” Now, earlier, when Quentin took the steps towards him, Grienke was pissed off at the big oaf and said “Yeah what?!” As in, “F-U, Buddy.” telling Quentin to F off will set off the roid raged arsehole.

  • ballybunion

    The mouthing off bothers me. I have enough trouble with a control pitcher who was dealing throwing high and inside when his catcher is set up for a low outside pitch, but doesn’t mouthing off on the guy you just hit make the accidental nature of the pitch just a little bit questionable? It’s not like it was all that dumb for Greinke to do – throwing low outside he would probably have walked him, putting a slow runner at first with slow running hitters coming up, and hitting him accomplished the same thing, and could have served as retaliation for the Kemp pitch a decent number of innings later. I’m not ready yet to proclaim Quentin the instigator, especially after his cryptic comment about their “history”.

    • http://www.facebook.com/lynnevelyn.williams LynnEvelyn Williams

      Mouthing off bothers u, walk down the street someone say,s screw u and u beat him up, I bet they throw the book at him for mouthing off, huh? The reason he was not thowing at him because u NEVER put the winning or tying run on base period.

      • ballybunion

        Horse puckey. When you hate the guy at bat and you’re about to walk him on an outside pitch you haven’t been getting the calls on, hitting the guy is the same as a walk. That “NEVER put the winning or tying run on base” tripe is conventional wisdom that takes a back seat to personal animosity between players. Pitchers aren’t that smart – Ted Williams said so.

        • LasordasLair

          Greinke said in the postgame press conference, that he DIDN’T mean to hit Quentin, and he had no prior beef with him that he was aware of. That means the only “Past History” or bad blood between them that existed was the one within Quentin’s thug like head. I’m not here to bash the padres, I’m only bashing Quentin.

          • ballybunion

            See, now this is where you’re being way too gullible. It would be huge news to fans in the AL Central, especially White Sox fans, to hear that Greinke and Quentin had no “prior beef”. As lies go, that’s a whopper that should bring into question everything else he said. You need to understand that Greinke is a passive-aggressive personality who can be very emotional AND aggressive on the field, but when called on it goes into choirboy mode proclaiming his innocence. If Quentin is such a thug, why hasn’t he charged the mound after getting hit 113 times by other pitchers? Could it be that others hit him in the hands, wrists, forearms or elbows when he dives into pitches, while every Greinke close pitch is high and inside near Quentin’s head, when he wasn’t even swinging? Dodgers fans need to do some research on Greinke, who has been described as a head case in the past. Greinke is a great talent, but there’s an ugly truth just below the surface.

  • http://www.facebook.com/lynnevelyn.williams LynnEvelyn Williams

    You can”t be serious, I have not heard one person MLB Xm or anyone blame anyone but Quentin are you sure you know anything about baseball??.

  • http://www.facebook.com/feboptimus feboptimus

    Like Mike Marshall said of his teammates in 1974, the Dodger infielders – and A.J. Ellis – stood around like wooden Indians,

  • Lee Bosch

    Quentin did not charge the mound immediately. He took two steps a the mound and finally ran at Grienke after he mouthed something. Not to excuse Quentin for being a jackass but he did not charge the mound thinking, “I’m gonna break his shoulder,”

    As for the Kemp situation, Marquis was trying to brush him back but his control is balls so the pitch sailed on him. Why would Marquis try to bury an 83mph fastball in Kemp’s dome?

    There is also an article where an unnamed former teammate of Grienke says “”The easiest way to make something seem unintentional is to do it at the most unexpected time.” He also says Grienke is arrogant enough to do something like that with the game on the line.

    He’s back in two months and the Dodgers season isn’t over. He hasn’t been close to what he did his CY Young year so I don’t know why Doyer fans think he was going to put up those kind of numbers. And if your season relies on one player, then your team probably wasn’t that great to begin with. Depth=key

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